Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby RippingFleshFromBone » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:57 pm

AxeBass wrote:
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Wash your keyboard! I'm a 'hold the product in your hand' type! None of this 'downloading' for me.


Keyboard? Keyboard? I'll wipe my screen for you if that is what you mean! ..... And you said the sound on the album is dated :lol:

Hey, I never said I was up with the times!

I like my mobile to have buttons! And I like my PC to have a keyboard! Can't be doin with all this touch screen crap... :roll: :wink:
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby Father Jack » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:03 am

RippingFleshFromBone wrote:I like my mobile to have buttons! And I like my PC to have a keyboard! Can't be doin with all this touch screen crap... :roll: :wink:

We don't like change in these here parts dagnabit !! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby frontier(s) » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:07 am

nicksmithworld wrote:Bruce's review:

http://www.kulick.net/message.shtml


This line:

Eric and Tommy both have lead vocals on a song, and it's cool Tommy wrote his track by himself.


Does tend to make Tommy sound like he's just walked out of playschool with 'Outta This World' and gone, 'TA DAAAA!'

again it is clear that Tommy has broken away from any Ace comparison here


Um, 'Outta This World' on a rocket? If only the last line of the chorus had been, 'Talk to me about how it shocked you'.

(I still think it's the best song on the album though!)

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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby jonnybgoode82 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:33 am

I'm just not sure on it yet. Tonnes of meaty riffs but nothing so far that has that catchy classic KISS melody, maybe I'm missing something?

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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby b.monkey4 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:08 pm

Ok, just got the album, thanks to the tw*t at play.com,
I can understand what everyone is saying as the album is neither fish nor fowl...
Apart from Eat your heart out Gene's songs lumber along with no real melody and as for the devil is me we're back to the dross that is Animal (no prizes for guessing which track will make the tour). Unfathomable.
Paul's tracks are ok but suffer from a lack of hooks. The album in the main has been built on riffs with little thought for the melody on top. Don't get me wrong, i love the heavier side of kiss when it's done right, Revenge is a killer album but they need someone like Bob Ezrin to guide them & create the soul to lay on top.
Tommy's track is ok but basically a rehash of When lightning strikes & not as good, and only All for the love shows us any real glimmer of classic 70's kiss which is what i loved about the band when i first got into them when i was a kid.
As per, i think they've way overhyped it and as i say it's neither revenge or destroyer. It would've been nice if it fitted somewhere in the middle but it just doesn't.
If they wanted to make a classic 70's style album i'm sure they easily could and if they wanted to riff away for 40 mins they could do that too, but choose one or the other. That way there would be people that love it and people that hate it instead of everyone just being nonplussed.
As for Paul's vocals, if he sounded like this on the 70's albums everyone would've been mightily impressed so considering recent troubles i have to say damned fine job!
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby nicksmithworld » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:21 pm

The 'Bumfluff gimp' review:

feel free to feel offended, cyber-bullied, put out, outside of the clique, side-lined, marginalised or just generally have the piss taken out of. However it's a JOKE!-Nick's Mirth World!

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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby fried alive » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:21 pm

luv the album

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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby RippingFleshFromBone » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:54 pm

Strangely this is the first KISS album where I actually wish they HAD brought in some class outside writers. Might have sharpened up the melodies and told them the lyrics are often shite.

Somehow the desire to show that this line up is a band and that 'all is great' in the KISS camp has not done the band any favours.
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby acesmiddlefinger » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:01 pm

RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Somehow the desire to show that this line up is a band and that 'all is great' in the KISS camp has not done the band any favours.


Still doing good numbers wherever they play,decent reviews on the most part from the media,having fun on stage and continuing to bring the KISS legacy to a whole new generation.

No not doing the band any favours at all!!!
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby Thayer 08 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:44 pm

b.monkey4 wrote:Ok, just got the album, thanks to the tw*t at play.com.


Yup!

b.monkey4 wrote:Paul's tracks are ok but suffer from a lack of hooks.


Yup!

b.monkey4 wrote:The album in the main has been built on riffs with little thought for the melody on top. Don't get me wrong, i love the heavier side of kiss when it's done right, Revenge is a killer album but they need someone like Bob Ezrin to guide them & create the soul to lay on top


Yup!

But I still think it's a great album.........
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby AxeBass » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:45 pm

RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Strangely this is the first KISS album where I actually wish they HAD brought in some class outside writers. Might have sharpened up the melodies and told them the lyrics are often shite.

Somehow the desire to show that this line up is a band and that 'all is great' in the KISS camp has not done the band any favours.


I might join 100 band forums and post these exact words with the relevant band name inserted, sit back and see how many think I'm a troll.... :roll:

Then again, I've got a class new Kiss Album to listen to so no need to wind people up for the sake of it. :D

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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby RippingFleshFromBone » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:41 pm

acesmiddlefinger wrote:
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Somehow the desire to show that this line up is a band and that 'all is great' in the KISS camp has not done the band any favours.


Still doing good numbers wherever they play,decent reviews on the most part from the media,having fun on stage and continuing to bring the KISS legacy to a whole new generation.

No not doing the band any favours at all!!!

I was purely referring to the songwriting, not making any other comment on anything else in the KISS camp. On the whole I like MONSTER, but there's something missing and I haven't been able to suss out what it is.

As for the good reviews, really...who cares? After being slated at almost every turn in the last 40years I couldn't care less what some idiot reviewer thinks cos suddenly KISS are kinda 'cool'. If you start to believe all the good reviews then all that means is those crap ones must have some credence also.

axebass wrote:I might join 100 band forums and post these exact words with the relevant band name inserted, sit back and see how many think I'm a troll.... :roll:

Then again, I've got a class new Kiss Album to listen to so no need to wind people up for the sake of it. :D

Really not trying to wind anyone up at all! Just saying how I see things as I always do. Not saying MONSTER is bad but where are the party anthems & bump n grind (other than 'Take Me Down Below') songs!!!
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby acesmiddlefinger » Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:17 am

RippingFleshFromBone wrote:
acesmiddlefinger wrote:
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Somehow the desire to show that this line up is a band and that 'all is great' in the KISS camp has not done the band any favours.


Still doing good numbers wherever they play,decent reviews on the most part from the media,having fun on stage and continuing to bring the KISS legacy to a whole new generation.

No not doing the band any favours at all!!!

I was purely referring to the songwriting, not making any other comment on anything else in the KISS camp. On the whole I like MONSTER, but there's something missing and I haven't been able to suss out what it is.

As for the good reviews, really...who cares? After being slated at almost every turn in the last 40years I couldn't care less what some idiot reviewer thinks cos suddenly KISS are kinda 'cool'. If you start to believe all the good reviews then all that means is those crap ones must have some credence also.


Adam,your a good guy and a lot bigger than me(no right hook ok?? :wink: ) but at times i find your attitude/thoughts on the band puzzle me. Thats not meant in a bad way its just you always seem to compare things to yesteryear. Im not stupid enough to think that every KISS song/album/ piece of merchandise/show/tour this band have ever done has been top notch but Monster is a decent effort for a band in the twilight of their career.

A lot of the people on this forum are old enough to remember the release of the classic KISS albums and your posts about attending tours and fighting over Paul guitars,buying the Jap Imports at HMV,following the band abroad always raise a smile with me,because i to have been there and done that.But those days are gone and before too long the band will call it a day, i intend to enjoy the rest of the ride(Please no more Hello Kitty).

Ive have never ever given a shite about the critics but i was merely trying to express that there is nothing wrong with this band at the present time,they are fine,they have released an album which they should be proud of.Even Steve Tyler thought it necessary to recently slag off the band and call them a comic book rock band, he must have had a ten minute break from MTV.KISS have never had any help from the media,often laughed at by the critics and thats why in my original post i stated it was interesting to see them receiving kudos for this album.

Whilst you may think differently with regards to Monster, i know that next year when the Monster tour hits our shores you and me and many others from this forum will stand together to acclaim their 40th year of rock n roll!! Who knows you may even buy a round. :wink: :lol:

P.S. KISS have always been cool in this household! :)
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby Pete » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:35 am

Love or loathe the album let's be honest, The lyrics are pretty bad..even for Image!
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Re: Monster - Whats Your Verdict?

Postby frontier(s) » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:08 am

RippingFleshFromBone wrote:I was purely referring to the songwriting, not making any other comment on anything else in the KISS camp. On the whole I like MONSTER, but there's something missing and I haven't been able to suss out what it is.


I think you're right, and it's something I feel about the album also.

Monster is a solid effort, in many ways I prefer it to Sonic Boom and I don't really think it would be fair, at this stage, to expect much more from the band. However, and this is kind of the point, why does it just have to be the band? Kiss have used external songwriters extensively since Destroyer, and often/usually to very good effect. If we want to get really pedantic, even 2 out of 3 of the Originals featured one co-written track. And then there's the remarkable use of Vinne Vincent for Revenge, a decade after the guy was booted out of the band. Why? Because I think Kiss are smart enough to know that the end justifies the means.

Is Monster a decent album? Yes. Could it have been better with outside input? Yes, I very much suspect it could.

For me, the biggest drawback to the album is the lack of big choruses and mega-hooks. I can live with the hackneyed lyrics, but where's the melody and catchiness that I can't get out of my head? There are hired gun songwriters that specialise in helping bands add that to songs (Kiss have used several of them before) and I can't help but think the album could have been stronger with that input.

Mind you, if you listen to Right Here, Right Now (one writer) it's clear they still can deliver the mid-70s swagger and catchiness on their own. It really should have been part of the main album.


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