Vote USA 2008

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Who would you vote for?

McCain/Palin
7
32%
Obama/Biden
15
68%
 
Total votes: 22

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Re: Vote USA 2008

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dtkdemongene wrote:
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Just lightning things up a bit!!!... :lol:
I think you'll find that's lightening.... :lol: :lol: :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe I was trying to 'spark' a further debate!!!... :roll:

It's good to know that my posts are being read so indepth that you can pick up on that!!!... :lol: :lol:
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RippingFleshFromBone wrote:
dtkdemongene wrote:
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Just lightning things up a bit!!!... :lol:
I think you'll find that's lightening.... :lol: :lol: :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe I was trying to 'spark' a further debate!!!... :roll:

It's good to know that my posts are being read so indepth that you can pick up on that!!!... :lol: :lol:
I was just helping you argue your case for correct spelling :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Vote USA 2008

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RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Perhaps. But what right has the US, or any country, have to try and stop a country having nuclear power? Even if it does want it for nuclear weapons,
So you're okay with a leader of country, who wants nothing more than to destroy an entire other country, to have nuclear weapons ? :shock:
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Israel already has the bomb.
I thought they didn't. Looked it up and they're listed as "undeclared" - not confirming or denying.
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:Don't hear the US complaining about that.
Nor other countries in the UN for that matter because countries that already have nuclear weapons, don't have sole agendas to wipe other entire countries off the map.
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:It isn't down to the US to say who can and who can't do things.
No, but together with the United Nations, we can if it's found unanimously that a country is a dire threat to another entire country as a whole. This is why the US is Not alone in their desire to stop Iran from enriching uranium.
Iran wants Israel blown off the face of the earth.
Maybe this was not seen :
French President Nicolas Sarkozy views Obama's stance on Iran as "utterly immature" and comprised of "formulations empty of all content."
"..European officials say they are not prepared to start negotiations on the package of incentives while Iran continues its enrichment activities. "Formal negotiations can start as soon as Iran's enrichment-related and reprocessing activities are suspended," declared a June 12 letter to Iran's foreign minister, signed by all six foreign ministers in the coalition, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice..."
"..."Dropping a unanimous Security Council condition would simply be interpreted by Iran and America's allies as unconditional surrender, and America's friends would view this as confirmation of America's basic unreliability," said François Heisbourg, a Paris-based military analyst with the International Institute for Strategic Studies. "A hell of a way to start a presidential term.".."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 58_pf.html
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:I'm not defending Iran here, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the US attitude. "Our allies can have the bomb but our enemies can't." That attitude has p*ssed off a lot of countries. America does not run the world, as much as it would like to.
Er, we don't want to - can't afford to. :lol:
It's called the "United Nations" for a reason - countries, plural, rallying together with resources to keep enemy countries in check for security reasons to protect allied countries.
RippingFleshFromBone wrote:There has even been talk of adopting American spelling! No! Colour is colour, not color. And words with endings like 'lise' at the end are spelt with an 'S'...not a 'z'!!!
Just lightning things up a bit!!!... :lol:
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dtkdemongene wrote: I was just helping you argue your case for correct spelling :wink: :lol: :lol:
Perhaps I was trying to, subconsciously, create my own language of Americanstan!

Just for a bit of revenge on them bast**dising (with an 'S'!) our language!!
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Two points:

Iran, through its President has said that it wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Whilst the US has acted unwisely abroad, it doesn't have that sort of mailcious intent - that is why the US and the UK and others are quite right to do everything it can to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons.

No form of peace will ever be negotiated with an agressive natured Country such as Iran through the UN in its current guise. Too many Countries,including France, Russia and China are all too keen to act in their own selfish financial interests instead of in the interests of peace. It meansthat the UN remains toothless and,as such, has no negotiating power.

1. The Cold War ended (the first cold war!!!?) for two reasons - the west (and Maggie and Ronnie Reagan in particular) had shown that they would not succumb to agression. 2. Ronald Reagan was the only person daft enough to believe Gorbachov - even though he was telling the truth. (that last bit is partly said in jest by the way).

If the UN is unable to show any will or ability to exercise power because of the self-interest of its members, what incentive is there for anyone to behave and negotiate. That is parto f the reason why the US *has* to take a tough stance, because the organisation that should be doing it is fundamentally failing.

If the US (and us to a lesser degree) failed to do this, the world would become totally, totally anarchic.

No excuse for lieing though.
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Hilarious.... :lol:

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Re: Vote USA 2008

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RippingFleshFromBone wrote:
skinnymartin wrote:Responsible capitalism is not socialism.

It is about those who are involved in business activity recognising that, whilst profit is a healthy thing, obsession with profit above all is not, that with profit comes responsibility. Profit benefits society, it allows for re-investment, creates new jobs, allows economies to expand and diversify, lower profits mean lower investment, less new jobs less diversification and a more inward looking economy (and yes less bonuses for shareholders - which impacts my pension). Earning massive amounts of money is fine - again the desire to earn more and improve your lot is good - it is what drives the spirit if innovation, enterprise and efficiency- which is exactly what separates us from communist/sociaist and marxist states (although we are losing it in the UK). However, earning pots of money and then using it to pay amazing accountants so that you avoid paying taxes in the Country that has enabled you to earn your living is irresponsible, not least because it increases the burden on the have nots. These are not things that regulation will deliver, they can only be delivered by cultural change.
I've been saying that for years!

As I said in another post it infuriates me when you get major comapanies complaining that profits have fallen yet the profit they have made is still in the 100 of millions! Guys, you made a profit! Then it leads to job cuts or demands on employees to be more productive for the same amount of pay! Just so more profit can be made. Then often much of the profit goes to the top guys and shareholders who are already on more money in a year than most employees will see in 10.

Then you get companies, as a PR exercise, offering a bit of cash to some high profile cause and expecting everyone to fall over themselves with gratitude. When in reality they could do so much more. Put money, real amounts of money, into communities. It is pretty much proven that giving teenagers activity/sports centres heplds reduce crime, yet these sort of places are in short supply due to lack of money.

As for 'Earning massive amounts of money is fine', not sure about that. There comes a point where when someone has more money than they will ever need and they just want more, doesn't sit right with me. (You listening Gene!) But I'm pleased to read you wrote 'However, earning pots of money and then using it to pay amazing accountants so that you avoid paying taxes in the Country that has enabled you to earn your living is irresponsible, not least because it increases the burden on the have nots.' I didn't think that was the Conservative way. Always thought it was 'get as much as want, then get some more and stuff the rest'. Suppose it still could be and it's just that you really are a free thinking, good guy renegade! Still it's good to read anyway.

I still think there's a bit of Socialism in there!
It's nothing to be ashamed of!!!!!
Anyone remember this post - and my own thoughts about responsible capitalism.

Anyway, it seems that David Cameron is catching up with me. This is part of what he said on Radio 2 today (apparently)
"We need a more ethical capitalism. I don't think the answer to the current crisis is to tear up the market system and go back to 1970s-style socialism, but we do need a more ethical capitalism in which we recognise that business has real responsibilities. Business is not just about making money. It is also about acting in an ethical way and I think we need to build a more ethical capitalism in Britain as we come out of this dreadful recession."
Not hyping up DC - you make your own mind up, I just remembered this thread and thought it was interesting.
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